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RE: BibleStudier

Posted by Michael Dickens on June 26, 2009

I was on the World Net Daily (or as Pharyngula calls it, Whirled Nut Daily), when a member named BibleStudier left me this, er, interesting comment:

So, you are “Michael the Glorious and Powerful [MTGAP]” according to your blog. Being self-described as glorious and powerful, one would assume you have the intelligence to know that speaking about abortion on a global warming thread is contradictory. {You may also want to read about Herod and see what end his pride brought about.} Why you describe yourself as “crazy” on your blog is something only you understand.

In short, Michael, I thoroughly enjoyed debate and discussion while an undergrad at Columbia at the same time our deceiver-in-chief claims to have attended. As you demonstrate on your blog and as I enjoyed pre-salvation, intellect allows one to argue both sides of any seemingly unsolved dilemna. But simply arguing for the sake of arguing is folly and accomplishes nothing.

I hope you are young enough that something within you, when you look at how all of the stars are arrayed, how grass grows, how birds fly and don’t fall to the ground, how the human eye is formed, how a mother or father loves their child, that something will tug at your intellect/curiosity and humble you to realize the world is far too perfectly created to be made by chance or significantly affected by man. If you come to that conclusion one day, you may want to seek out a true Christian and ask them to help you begin to understand the Bible. For within its pages, Michael, you will find a story of a truly Glorious and Powerful Lord filled with grace, love, redemption, compassion and a knowledge we cannot comprehend. You will also come to the realization that God is omnipotent and, in fact, controls or allows everything on earth, including the weather.

Being self-described as glorious and powerful, one would assume you have the intelligence to know that speaking about abortion on a global warming thread is contradictory.

This was in response to something I had said earlier: “BibleStudier, would you be interested in discussing our views on abortion? I don’t want to go off topic here, but if you’re interested, check out some of my musings on abortion here: http://mtgap.bilfo.com/blog/2009/02/03/abortion/”
I was actually trying to avoid going off-topic by directing a potential discussion on abortion to somewhere else. And for the record, the “Glorious and Powerful” title is meant to be humorous.

Why you describe yourself as “crazy” on your blog is something only you understand.

Mostly because I couldn’t think of anything else to say that was catchy enough. But you’re right, “crazy” is not a good way to describe myself. I changed it to “fun”, though that’s hardly better. I am open to suggestions.

In short, Michael, I thoroughly enjoyed debate and discussion while an undergrad at Columbia at the same time our deceiver-in-chief claims to have attended. As you demonstrate on your blog and as I enjoyed pre-salvation, intellect allows one to argue both sides of any seemingly unsolved dilemna.

Maybe I’m just being overly defensive, but it seems to me like the “I used to be like you but now I’m better” is nothing but a personal attack.

But simply arguing for the sake of arguing is folly and accomplishes nothing.

Firstly, arguing both sides of an argument is very helpful. It helps one to establish a strong and unbiased perspective. If one cannot argue both sides of some proposition, then one is heavily suffering from foundational bias. I can still argue both sides on the issues that I feel strongest about, and when I do it gives me a better perspective on what I really should believe. If you can argue against your own beliefs and still support them, it is probably a sound belief.

Secondly, arguing for the sake of arguing does accomplish something. It expands the horizons of the mind. It serves as practice for when argumentation and analysis become necessary, which happens rather frequently in today’s political arena. It confounds knowledge. And, of course, it’s fun.

I hope you are young enough that something within you, when you look at how all of the stars are arrayed, how grass grows, how birds fly and don’t fall to the ground, how the human eye is formed, how a mother or father loves their child, that something will tug at your intellect/curiosity and humble you to realize the world is far too perfectly created to be made by chance or significantly affected by man.

Perfectly created? Are you kidding?

-There is nothing special about how stars are arrayed.
-Birds fly because they evolved wings. There’s nothing special about that.
-Eyes evolved. Good eyes favor survival. link. And don’t try to tell me that eyes are perfect. They can only effectively see for a few hundred yards, they can only see forward as opposed to in all directions, and they each have a big blind spot.
-Parents loving their children is an evolutionary advantage. It should be obvious how children with loving parents have a survival advantage over children with hateful parents.
-How exactly is the world so perfect? The world is cruel and painful and flawed.

If you come to that conclusion one day, you may want to seek out a true Christian and ask them to help you begin to understand the Bible. For within its pages, Michael, you will find a story of a truly Glorious and Powerful Lord filled with grace, love, redemption, compassion and a knowledge we cannot comprehend.

I am far more Glorious and Powerful than God. No, that’s not arrogance: you are too. So is everyone. So are birds flowers and ants and bacteria.

You will also come to the realization that God is omnipotent and, in fact, controls or allows everything on earth, including the weather.

Omnipotence is not possible.

BibleStudier, I hope that one day you will open your mind to alternative viewpoints and actively consider them. I hope you will eradicate your foundational bias. One day, you may come to the realization that sometimes logic and reason are indeed more reliable than faith.

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2 Responses to “RE: BibleStudier”

  1. Phynnboi said

    “As you demonstrate on your blog and as I enjoyed pre-salvation, intellect allows one to argue both sides of any seemingly unsolved dilemna.”

    LAWL! I’ll be charitable and assume he’s talking about enjoying arguing, but it still kind of comes off as him saying, “I used to be intelligent, too, before I was saved!”

    “I hope you are young enough that something within you, when you look at how all of the stars are arrayed, how grass grows, how birds fly and don’t fall to the ground, how the human eye is formed, how a mother or father loves their child, that something will tug at your intellect/curiosity and humble you to realize the world is far too perfectly created to be made by chance or significantly affected by man.”

    Yeah, and then go read some true crime* or world news** and realize that if God exists, he’s one evil S.O.B.

    * like reports about “loving parents” who beat their children so severely that it actually emulsifies the fat under their skin

    ** particularly the stuff coming out of war-ravaged Africa

  2. mtgap said

    LAWL! I’ll be charitable and assume he’s talking about enjoying arguing, but it still kind of comes off as him saying, “I used to be intelligent, too, before I was saved!”

    You make me laugh.

    BibleStudier used the classic “look at the trees” argument. A pretty funny usage of that argument can be found here.

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